Asflanet was set up in late 2020 by Martin's former students who were trying to expand the dominion of ASFLA by equating it with the SFL community. This involved several underhand activities. For example, after I was told that asflanet was not being set up as a "rival" to sys-func, the original community list established in 1992, many in the community were told that sys-func was 'finished' and that 'everything was moving to asflanet'. Then sys-func itself mysteriously disappeared, which means that someone with institutional authority had contacted the host, UTS, and told them sys-func was no longer needed. When I re-established sys-func with a different host and posted instructions on how to subscribe to the new sys-func on the ASFLA website, the instructions were immediately removed. And from its inception, asflanet has described itself as the list of the Australian Systemic community.